don’t let the bubba news overwrite the fact that they are using the actually its ephebophilia method of excusing sexual abuse now
e: oh and also the steve banon stufs wowow
How long until they pull out “well the Greeks used to do it”?
He’s a POWER bottom, the most POWERFUL! everyone knows this.
“I powarred the most bottoms… I am the powerest of all the bottoms. They would say, Donald, you are the best bottomer I have ever seen…”
Actually Mac, you’ve got it backwards. You see, the power bottom is actually generating the power by doing most of the work.
The “Greek salute?”
Wait, what happened with Bannon?
in the latest email releases it’s almost undeniable that Jeffrey Epstein was acting almost as an unofficial advisor to the US president Trump through Bannon
ephebophilia - Primary adult sexual attraction towards late pubescent or postpubescent adolescents
aka, pedos trying to pretend it’s not as bad when they abuse minors
Exactly, you can try to “well, actually…” your way around it all you like but if you’re making that argument you’re still a pervert who wants to molest kids
In the sense of being shot 20 vs thirty times, sure. And maybe we should punish them like that. Use a nicer less coarse rope when hanging them.
The difference is actually important. Pedophilia is a mental disorder which may or may not result in harm to children depending on whether it’s diagnosed and treated properly. Ephebophilia not a disorder. Ephebophiles are people who choose to rape young people for fun.
I strongly, strongly dislike the way you are framing pedophilia. All CSA is based around the vulnerability of the victim. Child sexual abusers are aware of what they are doing. No one is driven by such strong compulsion that they must sexually assault someone. It’s exactly as evil and wrong no matter the age of their victim. All CSA is wrong. All sexual abuse is wrong.
just want to say thanks for this sensical, well-worded comment. :)
Being a pedophile and being an abuser are not the same thing. Many pedophiles are disgusted with themselves, and one of the criteria for diagnosis is a sense of distress arising from inappropriate attraction. Some willingly live full-time in mental health facilities to ensure they have no access to children. It’s ableist and harmful to non-offending pedophiles to be conflated with rapists. I firmly believe that it poses an increased risk for CSA as they feel they need to hide their disorder instead of getting help and support.
It’s exactly as evil and wrong no matter the age of their victim.
That’s kind of my point. Insisting that someone who rapes a 15-year-old is a pedophile comes with the implication that it would have been less bad to rape them at 18.
So like I said in my previous comment, no one is driven by such strong compulsion that they must sexually assault someone. Being a pedophile is not a sexual orientation it is literally a desire to commit sexual violence. If someone told me “I am so driven to commit acts of sexual violence against rhe vulnerable that I am voluntarily putting myself into a mental health facility” my first thought would be that I hope they are being involuntarily held.
Pedophilia is not a disability. No i am not being ableist by directly correlating pedophilia with rapists. They are literally obsessed with rape. They see children as a means to an end for their personal sexual gratification. I would react to someone saying they are a pedophile the same way as if someone told me they desperately want to sexually assault someone.
Being a pedophile is not a sexual orientation. It is not a sexuality.
No one said that pedophilia is a sexual orientation; it’s a mental disorder. Sexual orientations are not mental disorders.
Being a pedophile is not synonymous with abusing children. Those suffering from pedophilic disorder are capable of not harming children, just as those without pedophilic disorder are capable of sexually abusing children. The disorder and the act of harm are different things.
You can think of it like drug addiction. The urge to use the drug is there, but you still get to choose whether or not you act on it. Choosing the right thing is a lot easier with professional mental care and community support.
Ideally we want to identify and help every pedophile before they abuse a child, and we can’t do that if we conflate them with rapists while they’re still innocent.
the beginning part of the comment is already iffy/barely fine but this paragraph…
…comes with the implication it’s less bad to rape them at 18
no it doesn’t imply that. that’s such a weird leap; it’s a really blatant misrepresentation of what’s actually going on, holy shit. it comes from this habit of centering the aggressor’s identity or “how bad they are” instead of looking at what consent law is actually designed to do.
please do some research on the basic principles behind statutory law and child psychology. statutory age doesn’t exist to rate rapists on some “less bad vs more bad” scale; it exists to protect vulnerable young people.
it’s not “who’s worse,” it’s “does this person need automatic protection?” and the age of consent (depending on your state) is the line where society says that the answer to “does this person need protection” is always yes; not because the victim below that age “counts more,” but because anyone that young can’t legally consent, period.
as an example, if your local age of consent is 18, it doesn’t imply it’s “less bad” for someone 18 to be assaulted. both cases involve victims who deserve care and safety; the difference is that the law gives full, immediate, unequivocal protection to anyone 17 or under based on what we know about human development.
i genuinely hope this is helpful, because this pattern of defining consent law around the aggressor’s identity rather than the safety and protection of the victims is exactly where these misunderstandings come from.
I don’t think I understand what you mean. Legal age of consent and the definition of pedophilia aren’t related. If the age of consent were 9, it would still be a disorder to experience primary attraction to people that young. Similarly, if the age were 25, it would not be pedophilia experience primary attraction to 19-year-old people.
You really don’t think the Republicans defending him from the label of pedophile aren’t motivated by the thinking that raping small children is worse than raping teenagers? People often seem downright enthusiastic about the idea of child abusers being raped and beaten by other violent criminals in prison, who seem to be considered the good guys by comparison.
As far as I know, pedophilia has not been classified as a mental disorder and is not recognized as such by any major health organization. It’s more likely to be a criminology classification like psychopathy.
Both the DSM-5 and ICD-11 list diagnostic criteria for pedophilic disorder.
I guess I’m confused. Ive heard people argue that its either all mental disorder or it’s all not mental disorder. Ive never heard someone splitting the difference. How do you rationalize some pedophiles have a mental disorder and others do not? I’m using the colloquial term pedophile to cover all ages. I understand some are attracted based before/ during/ after puberty but to me i don’t see where the line should start/ end in terms of a mental disorder. It seems to me that if it was a mental disorder for some ages, it would be for the others. That just is what would make sense to me because in all cases the child/teen is under the legal age and in all cases acting on the sexual attraction would be rape/sexual assault.
In other words, i don’t understand the difference for why i should think some pedophiles should be less bad based on age? Why do pedophiles get to claim mental disorder but ephebophiles don’t get the same?
These are great questions and I hope you don’t mind the wall of text that’s going to follow. I want to warn anyone reading that the Wikipedia article for the Tanner scale necessarily includes pictures of sexual characteristics at various stages of development, and is therefore NSFW.
Pedophilia is currently defined as primary attraction towards prepubescent children, which are Tanner stage 1, typically age 13 or younger. The DSM-5 and ICD-11 both recognize it as a disorder and have similar, but differing diagnostic criteria.
Hebephilia is defined as primary attraction towards pubescent children, Tanner stages 2 and 3. It’s not recognized as a disorder, and there’s a lot of debate regarding it in the mental health field. Should it be its own disorder? Should it be considered a subset of pedophilia? Should it just be considered the same as pedophilia? Mental health is a soft science, so these kinds of discussions are how we arrive at diagnostic criteria.
Ephebophilia is defined as primary attraction towards adolescents, Tanner stages 4 and 5, which correspond to about age 15 and older. Attraction to such a person isn’t considered disordered as they’ve developed sexual characteristics which indicate physical adulthood and sexual maturity. This is the imporant distinction that separates it from pedophilia and hebephilia.
The most common age of consent in Europe is 14-16, but I don’t think that legality should dictate morality. I think it’s great that younger people have the opportunity to engage in sexual conduct with each other, but people much older than they are can easily coerce them, either with charm, money, a sense of authority, etc. An older person who habitually engages in sexual conduct with teenagers and young adults is, in my opinion, targeting them as people who are less powerful and easy to abuse.
I don’t think that any sexual abuser is more or less bad than another based on who they’re abusing or whether they have a recognized mental disorder. (In fact I would argue that anyone who engages in coersive or forceful sexual practices, including ephebophiles, has something wrong with their brain that makes them be a bad person.) Diagnosis of a disorder can help us understand motivation and develop prevention techniques, but it’s not an excuse for harming someone.
There’s a hidden implication that Epstien being a pedophile is worse than being an ephebophile, as if raping teenagers is somehow better than raping children. Insisting he is a pedophile plays into and reinforces this idea. I think it’s an unhealthy way to view sexual assault, both in how society sees survivors and how survivors see themselves.
I also think that demonizing pedophiles (meaning the term clinically and not people who have abused children) puts more children at risk. If someone feels the need to hide their disorder they’re much less likely to seek medical help, warn those around them, and recieve help in preventing harmful behavior. You can see the benefits of destigmatizing mental disorders in things like alcoholism or borderline personality disorder, where people are now much more likely to seek therapy than they were in the past. I would prefer that my neighbor were a non-offending pedophile attending regular treatment than a closeted pedophile who poses a serious risk to those around them. I would want them to reach out to me for help when they feel they’re about to harm someone rather than craft secret plans to go through with it. This cannot happen in a world where asking for help can ruin your life.
I appreciate the response and no i didn’t mind the wall of text, thank you. I’m still not sure i can say id agree on categorizing some as a disorder and others not. To me age of consent + age of majority are two important lines that must be crossed from a legality standpoint, so the pre/post puberty timeline doesn’t equate into my thinking at all.
But i do agree with you that legality shouldn’t dictate morality, and also agree on not demonizing pedophiles (clinical term) who haven’t abused children. It actually reminds me a bit of Alice in Borderland S3. There is a game where the hidden identity comes into play (S3E2). Ill share the overview below in a spoiler. it isn’t a perfect comparison because of how the game is set up, but it does make you think about the demonizing the hidden identity regardless of whether they did anything bad.
Tap for spoiler: If you don't want to watch the show but want to know the game
Basically the show is based on games where people die if they lose. In this game an unknown number of players out of ~100 are infected as a “zombie” in a card game. Zombies can win any card round by playing their zombie card (infinite use) , and that zombie card will infect the other player (giving them an infinite use zombie card). At the same time, every human also has a single use shotgun card which will quite literally blow the head off of a zombie player. There is also an unknown number of vaccine cards which can be used to cure 1 zombie (destroying their zombie card and making them human). The game is played over 20 rounds where each round you touch another player to challenge them for that round. At the end of the 20 rounds whichever side (humans vs zombies) has the most people wins. The losing side all die. So in this this case, under threat of death, telling someone you’re a zombie or infecting another player to be a zombie can potentially get you killed.
Ephebophilia, of course, which they think is okay and fine.
Wait, isn’t Bubba old enough to consent? He seems so old but if Trump puts his mouth on a person Bubba can’t be that old.
Sometimes you experiment outside your type
I dunno. Coulda been when Bubba was little. Fits Krasnov’s MO
Once again. MAGA was right.
“i’ll show you how not gay i am” - donald trump
Isn’t that just life in Chicago?
Came here to express this general sentiment.
That’s our drone striking boy.
I keep coming back to this and giggling
He probrally still isnt the throat goat, I feel like his sloppy is low quality
Damn, looks like Trump finally took the W 😔
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why would you delete this you were spitting facts lol
what’d they say?
The feds got him. RIP.
