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Trans woman - 9 years HRT
Intersectional feminist
Queer anarchist
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I genuinely cannot tell if you are trolling. I am a French speaker. I work in it every single day.
Vous is NOT A THIRD PERSON PRONOUN. IT IS A SECOND PERSON PRONOUN. IT MEANS “You all”. THAT IS NOT THE KIND OF PRONOUNS TRANS PEOPLE HAVE PREFERENCES ABOUT.
MY PARTNER IS NONBINARY AND USES THEY/THEM PRONOUNS IN ENGLISH. THERE IS NO EQUIVALENT TO THAT IN FRENCH.
The only pronoun suggested by anyone as a gender neutral one in French is “iel”. It is not in common use at all and lacks any kind of widespread adoption.
How are you so entitled that you can continue to be this blatantly wrong about something you clearly do not understand? It’s genuinely incredible.
No you’d say “They are tall.” Because that’s how we conjugate that in English. They has always been used as both a singular and a plural because we don’t always know the gender of who were talking about. In French il/ils is the default when you don’t know a 3rd person’s gender. Il/ils is masculine.
It isn’t. I’m a French speaker, I’m telling you it isn’t. Vous is second person singular or plural. They is third person singular or plural. They is NEVER second person. Vous is NEVER third person. This is how the language is used around the world today.
Did… did the tables not help? They can be used as either singular or plural but it’s always third person.
If I was speaking directly to you, and you used they/them pronouns. I wouldn’t convert the sentence “You are tall” to “They are tall”. Those 2 sentences mean entirely different things. That’s what the “person” part of a pronoun is. It’s who you’re referring to. 1st person is the person speaking, 2nd person is the person being spoken to, and 3rd person is someone about whom you are speaking.
1st - “I am tall.”
2nd - “You are tall.”
3rd - “He/She/They is/are tall.”
1st - “Je suis grand.”
2nd - “Tu/Vous es grand.”
3rd - “Il/Elle est grand(e).”
Does this help? Tu is already not gendered. Vous isn’t gendered either. It’s not the same as “they” at all. It means an entirely different thing.
I am bilingual and have been speaking French every day since I was 4. I work every day entirely in French. I am correcting you on a fundamental aspect of the French language.
Vous is equivalent to saying “you all” in English. It can also be used as a 2nd person singular pronoun, equivalent to “you” in English. You’ll note that “you” isn’t gendered.
“They” is a 3rd person pronoun. It’s used when referring indirectly to someone else. “He” and “she” are also 3rd person pronouns. “You” is the 2nd person singular pronoun in English. We don’t have a dedicated 2nd person singular pronoun (not since like the 17th century), so when referring to 2nd person to a group of people, we say “you all” or “you guys” etc.
Pronouns in French go like this:
Person | Singular | Plural |
---|---|---|
first | Je | Nous |
second | Tu | Vous |
third | Il/Elle | Ils/Elles |
In English the equivalents are:
Person | Singular | Plural |
---|---|---|
first | I | We |
second | You | “You all/guys” etc |
third | He/She | They |
People’s preferred pronouns in both English and French are third-person ones (at least when referring to these kinds of pronouns, there’s others like Sir/Ma’am). French does not have a gender neutral third person pronoun by default.
Vous is the 2nd person plural pronoun. Only for when you’re speaking directly to someone, which isn’t gendered anyway (2nd person singular pronoun is Tu).
French doesn’t have a gender neutral 3rd person pronoun. It’s il or elle. Which is unfortunate. There have been attempts to create a gender neutral 3rd person pronoun but none have really taken off. Most French non-binary people who prefer gender neutral pronouns in English will use the pronoun in French that most closely align with their presentation. Il for mascs, elle for femmes. I’m hopeful for this to change honestly.
I started on Mint, then went to Arch Linux with Gnome. Now, I spend hours a day every day editing the dozens of config files for my Arch + Hyprland setup. I discovered NVIM plugins and decided to figure that out on my own instead of using one of the pre-made plugin packs. Now 90% of the software I use is cli. You can do anything from a terminal, and once you start it’s hard to justify using bloated GUI applications instead. Especially once you make your TE and prompt pretty.
It’s not really that distinct, no. Not unless you’re transmed and believe pre and post op trans people need to divided from each other.
Youre free to use whatever terms you’d like to use for yourself, but transsexual was how people referred to all transgender people until the term transgender took off in the late 90s.
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