There’s a lot of international folks here getting downvoted because
AMERICAN CHIROPRACTORS ARE QUACKS.
Can we please step out of our American bubble for a fucking second to realise there is whole world out there of real healthcare.
In the vast majority of the world Chiropractors are exactly the same as Osteopaths and Physios, they have to go to the same schools, lectures, have the same training. They are purely musculoskeletal. Why they are insane in America is anyone’s guess. But this is a problem with America, not Chiropractors.
That said, this is fucking hilarious and I have sent it to a friend to take the piss.
Since Chiropractic medicine was invented in America by a spiritualist quack, I would say trying to use the same name for valid medical practices in another country is the mistake of whoever decided that was ok to do. It’s like saying yes, wizardry is bullshit in America, but in many other countries it’s a valid form of pharmacology. Just call it the valid term that has regulations.
Chiropractics literally started as an alternative to germ theory. The quackery was baked in from the start. They may couch their quackery in medical jargon now in some places but I’ve yet to see stats where people who went to chiropractors did better than people that went to massages or physical therapy.
Example from England last year:
AFAIK it’s the same in Germany too. Unregulated. I could just go and call myself a chiropractor, trying my best to fuck you up.
Yup. And I should say you can find good ones in the U.S., you just never know.
Mine was from New Zealand and worked with one of their Olympic teams. She never cracked my neck but gently massaged and manipulated it to release a whiplash injury after a car accident.
For every one of her, there are 20 quacks who claim they can cure cancer with foot baths.
Doctor Glaucomen or whatever is his name has a lot of interesting content on bonebros.
You will say his silly name with respect! Dr. Glaucomflecken
I think it’s “eye spot”
Maaan, I just don’t trust doctors. Not in a “you’re injecting microchips into my bloodstream so bill gates can control my mind” type of way. Rather a “you are another facet of the capitalist society a getting caught in the healthcare system is like getting caught in the justice system. Once you’re in, you’re in” type of way.
Can’t blame you. There are good doctors out there who hate the capitalist system and the insurance companies, but they still have to work within that system.
Regularly scheduled warning but chiropractor is not a real doctor and can paralyze you for life. You would receive equal or better results with massotherapy.
Also the guy who invented it learned the practice from a ghost during a seance
you’re fucking with me, right?
D.D. Palmer “received chiropractic from the other world” from a deceased physician named Dr. Jim Atkinson.
You can also go to a Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine (DO) who is an actual doctor and will crack your back in scientifically backed ways.
regularly scheduled reminder that real Chiropractors are highly trained and not paid extra money to prescribe you a medication that has a warning label that includes the very minor side effects of… may cause: dizziness, nausea, rashes, cancer, and a mild case of death.
Chiropractors are not doctors in any shape or form. There is no scientific data to backup the idea that popping random joints somehow cures illnesses. They’re nothing more than snake oil salesmen who have no clue WTF they’re actually doing.
this is my general impression too, the origins of the practice is kinda bunk and it’s probably not worth the risk for a lot of people. I particularly dislike that a lot of people will see a chiropractor for pain before they’ll consider seeing a PT.
that being said, there are individual chiros out there that do good work. The main person I go to for non-chiro bodywork, who really knows her shit, sees a chiro herself and highly credits them for her recovery from pretty severe spinal issues. I’d probably see one only if I was referred from someone I trust.
but generally speaking there’s other alternative therapies I’d recommend over seeing just any random chiro. Acupuncture can be a game changer, and is starting to become less “alternative” as some PTs offer “dry needling” now. Craniosacral work can be great for some too, it’s a very gentle form of bodywork that can have a big impact nonetheless. Both of those are a lot less focused on manual adjustment, lowering the risk significantly.
correction: chiropractors are not backed by studies funded by people who own companies that require you to pop pills for long periods of time.
remember that. and stop burying your heads in the sand like republicans do. it’s a sad and pathetic look for you.
The inventor of chiropractic practices literally said that a ghost taught it to him during a seance. Please educate yourself.
And the origin of doctors thought that draining the body of blood helped cure any and all illnesses. and the origin of most surgeries used today were developed by a Nazi who experimented on Jews.
educate yourself.
it’s sad how many idiots think that an origin of a particular activity decides whether or not you should use it.
Found the unlicensed chiropractor. Get bent dude. Chiropractors have caused more pain and suffering to people than they have ever helped. They’re nothing more than glorified physical therapists.
Also its a pretty pathetic look for you that you have to make this political.
found the idiot who thinks that anyone supporting real facts is a fake.
taken straight from a medical journal funded by real medical research not RFK style research (aka not from the hacks that say that vaccines and pills created autism) for orthopedics: Chiropractic care is an evidence based effective option for spine and joint injuries.
the only hack Chiropractors O have found are a bunch of Americans. Every other country in the world recognizes both chiropractors and alternative medicine as valid options. but I wouldn’t expect a fake leftist like you who gets his facts from Fox News to know the difference between fact and propaganda.
A highly trained phrenologist still cannot diagnose personality problems by feeling bumps on your head.
they can however diagnose issues for less money than a doctor.
it took $10000 of scans and 10 years for doctors to decide that my constantly sprained ankle as in fact a permanent bone bruise. it took 3 different chiropractors (at 3 different events) 5 minutes to diagnose that same issue.
the difference between the doctors and the chiropractors? the doctors are trapped by modern medicine and textbook diagnostic techniques. the chiropractors can pull from sources that have worked for thousands of years before some nutjob with lots of money and a product to sell said no.
oh you’re also a racist, got it
why? because I’m white? I got news for you. I’m not… just white passing. but yes. play the racism card any time someone tells you to go get stuffed.
why don’t I just call you a filthy pig. It’s clearly a valid accusation to make by your logic.
but let’s see… from your post history… you accuse anyone that doesn’t kiss your ass of being a racist.
Who are these mythical “real chiropractors” that you speak of?
It’s pseudoscience, and always has been.
go for alternative and wholistic chiropractors not mainstream ones. and stop spouting the American chemical medicine propaganda that any and all alternative medicines are shit. sure you can’t fix genetic shit with a chiropractor… but you are more likely to heal faster from a physical injury with a chiropractor than using meds and a physical therapist (by about 2-3 months depending on the injury severity).
but don’t worry. I know it’s hard for you and the other idiots here to accept anything that doesn’t get you insurance covered drugs (opioids) to make all your worries go night-night. after all… real lifestyle changes are hard for fat, drunk, lazy, and stupid people like you.
Bullshit. Chiropractors cannot prevent or cure any disease or condition. They can help you manage lower back pain. That’s it.
Thanks to immunotherapy, I am now four and a half years cancer free. See if a chiropractor can do that.
Clearly you never paid any attention to chiropractic studies made in the past 10 years.
Chiropractors treat physical injuries and can manage neurological issues if properly trained. there are only 17 chiropractors in America who have that training as they received that training after the 2019 conferences. but it is widely used in Europe for more than 10 years.
the only “chiropractors” who claim to cure cancer are the same idiots had medical licenses revoked.
just because you and a few other idiots got scammed because you couldn’t even bother with a simple google search… does not make all chiropractors hacks. hell with a single google search I can find over 2000 quack doctors that mainstream medical professionals swear are real.
I find it sad that you lot are spreading misinformation and lies when it serves your own narrative. makes you sound just like the standard incel who says “Tylenol causes autism. it is truth. internets says it’s true. durr durr”.
how pathetic can you lot get?
Ok, your comment was pretty dumb, but don’t let it get to you. For the low low price of $50 I’ll remove all the evil ghosts from your keyboard, and maybe you won’t get downvoted next time. Deal?
and for the low price of free. I can remove the idiot who likes to spout RFK’s bullshit deal? deal. blocked you.
You can’t block me! Because um, I already blocked you first!
I have known a few chiropractors. Two were decent naturopaths who were also nutritionists, physical therapists, and masseuses. Whole body and nervous system health. Never cracked or popped a joint.
The third charges $35 bucks, no insurance needed, and just pops your middle back and gropes you. Absolute worst and he bought the business from one of the first.
Good chiros are about nervous systems. Bad chiros, the vast majority, are witch doctors selling bunk cures.
nutritionists
Just a heads up, but anyone can call themselves a nutritionist. It is not a protected term. You don’t have to pass any exams. The only thing you need is to be interested in the subject.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutritionist
The actual professional term is dietitian.
In the US it is even worse. Like Certified Clinical Nutritionists (CCN), which are quacks and prescribe things like homeopathy and herbalism. They are neither Certified nor Clinical.
Yeah I was using common nomenclature. I don’t recall if they were licensed dietitians or not.
The one sold supplements and vitamin tinctures his wife made, so they weren’t far off from the unlicensed category. But they were both also licensed/certified physical therapists and masseuses. He had done some kind of sports medicine if I recall correctly before starting his business.
The other guy was really into the whole gambit of chinese herbology and such, but he kept himself grounded with physical therapy regimens and promoting tai chi every other sentence.
Iono chief, still doesn’t sound great to me. Being good at physical therapy by a different name? Great! Also misleading patients into wasting time, money, and energy on stuff that doesn’t work? Find a new person. The willingness to believe bs will lead to some big error in judgement, sooner or later.
It’s been over 20 years, but I do remember the acupuncture was beneficial. The physical therapy exercises helped with a shoulder injury, and it was accessible for a laborer without insurance.
I should also mention they were also religious and gave you a pocket bible every visit. It was a very different time and location in my life.
The inventor of chiropracty said that a ghost taught it to him during a seance. Yes, really, I’m not making that up.
Yeah I think he also said he fixed a deaf janitors hearing by popping a neck vertebrae into alignment, if I remember the lore. This was ‘drink heroin for medicine’ era too.
Good chiros aren’t chiros.
Yeah, they are DOs
I mean, that’s kind of the implication.
i was in the hospital and just had had a few major organs removed. like, hours before. a chiro i had never met but who went to the same cult as my parents walked into my hospital room unannounced and started lecturing me about how i would have been able to keep my organs if i’d let him give me a spinal adjustment.
my friends, a chiropracter was saved by an orderly that day.
Flip side:
Woke up in agony. I couldn’t walk without aid. Why to GP, “it’s sciatica. It’ll be ok in a few weeks. Two months at most”
6 months later and I can’t walk still.
Hospitals did the scans, X-rays, MRI, etc etc, but found nothing wrong. They did acupuncture, physio, hydrotherapy etc.
All slightly helped. However two years later I still couldn’t walk without help and then just kept on offering me pain killers.
Nope!!My mate, “Hey, try my new chiro guy. He did wonders for me”
Me, “Lol, quacks.”
My mate, “What have you got to lose?”
Me, “Money…”
…
Mate, “Hey, told my chiro guy about you. He said pop in. The first month is free. If no improvement after then you go separate ways. What have you got to lose?”Long story short.
On that first appointment he said he thought it was piriformis syndrome. Not back problems.
Within a month I was sitting almost pain free for the first time in two years. Within 3 months I was walking unaided for the first time in years. In 6 months I was running again.
Within a year I was 95% of what I was before the back issues. I’ll never be 100% because it wasn’t diagnosed in time and everything had ‘healed’ incorrectly.Now, with that said, the guy was more than a chiro. He did sports body mechanics, and other things that I can’t remember now. He worked with the local lower league football squad for about ten years. And whilst they were no Manchester United they wouldn’t just let any quack work on their team.
Plus in the UK chiro’s have to be registered and follow guidelines. If they do anything illegal they are fucked.
Flip side to my flip side:
The mother in law went to a chiro who said he could cure her spine curvature disorder. Anyways I find out when she’s complaining of (extra) back pain, so I tell her to stop going as the guy is obviously a dodgy bastard. Within the year the guy was arrested for his illegal shenanigans.It sounds more like you didn’t see what the US would consider a “chiropractor”, but rather an orthopedics/sports medicine specialist. Maybe he was just advertising as a chiropractor to attract clients or maybe your buddy was confused about his credentialing?
Chiropractors don’t need to be licensed or registered with anything in the US. It’s all pseudoscience mumbo-jumbo.
So that’s why I keep getting confused because around here, a chiropractor absolutely needs a license and I never heard them taut the cure-all bullshit I keep reading about.
They absolutely require licensing. It’s by state.
He did sports body mechanics, and other things that I can’t remember now.
Ok, so he had more training than most US chiropractors.
So many are basically malpractice that it’s safer to say the whole bunch is spoiled atp
Chiropractors in the US don’t have medical degrees
let me tell you the first illegal thing the chiro did the day i saw him
walk uninvited into a hospital he was unaffiliated with.
short version, he lost his license. we ran him out of the state.
I had a bit of back gain and I went to a chrio once and this tiny Asian women beat the living shit out me. I swear she elbow dropped onto my spine. It made my back so sore I was unable to move for 3 days. I called to tell them it had gotten significantly worse and they replied that means its working come back for another session. I never returned and it healed up perfectly fine.
Beware the iatrogenic death dealers, and the cowboy-chiropractors both.
visited a friend’s family reunion and met his chiropractor uncle. dude said he could cure diabetes and cancer.
he could barely pronounce diabetes. I will never ever understand chiropractor quackshit.
I understand chiro quack shit the same way I understand crystals and essential oils quack shit. It’s all just quack shit.
What I don’t understand is why insurance actually pays for chiro, at least sometimes.
In my experience it was for old insecure guys who were uncomfortable going to a massage or doing any structured stretching regularly so they’d get an adjustment from a quack a few times a year instead.
In most cases, it seems like temporary relief. Like when your bigger, older brother picks you up and cracks your back. Feels great in the moment, but not a long-term fix.
don’t write it off completely… yes there’s a bunch of bullshit, but it’s also not entirely quack shit
australia’s healthcare system covers chiropractic in limited circumstances, and our system is generally very good at evidence-based health (you’re allowed to get private health insurance to cover alternative medicines if you want but stuff the government pays for is well supported by evidence)
with a GP referral and chronic condition management plan (written by your GP: this is an offical well defined thing) you get up to 5 total visits to “allied health” professionals which includes chiro, physio, dieticians, etc
The fact that insurance does or doesn’t cover something is not evidence of medical efficaciousness.
To help you out, chiropractors and their practice are full quackery and pseudo-science. HOWEVER, osteopathic medicine practiced by a DO is real medicine. Osteopathic medicine and osteopathy are two related but different things. The difference being that osteopathic medicine originates from osteopathy but they ditched all the pseudo-science and actually backed it up with science.
TLDR: If you want to get your back cracked scienctifically, find a Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine (aka a DO).
The inventor of chiropracty claims a ghost taught it to him during a seance.
The inventor of chiropracty claims a ghost taught it to him during a seance.
In germany some health insurances pay for homeopathy. It’s still bullshit. Same for chiropractors.
and i agree for things covered by health insurance alone: we have similar… you can get private health insurance in australia that covers crap like homeopathy too, and they also cover a huge amount more chiro than the government does
Nonsense. It gives the same benefits that a simple massage does but a massage doesn’t put you at risk of paralysis or death.
It’s quackery.
Its a pretty narrow scope
https://www9.health.gov.au/mbs/fullDisplay.cfm?type=item&q=10964
To me this reads like coverage for massage or other forms of non-curative pain relief, intended for those with chronic conditions that have exhausted all other options, or can’t get an appointment with a physiotherapist. I really don’t think it would be prescribed to treat the chronic condition.
I mean, the chiropractor is technically correct. You’ll say goodbye to a lot of things, including IBS.
Cured of all ailments, including the terminal STD known as “life.”
So, ibs has an unknown cause, right? Does it persist indefinitely in donated organs or does it eventually subside? I might have it, albeit undiagnosed, so I got curious as I’m an organ donor
IBS is doctor speak for “we don’t know what’s wrong and we give up, but we recognize you have symptoms”
You can get feces transplanted to treat a c. diff infection. Like, you swallow a pill made from human shit and it can help you. So if you need the whole ass organ transplanted, you need that.
they don’t do ass organ transplants
They also don’t do mind control plans on hyphenation. Kudos if you’re young enough to get xkcd in a controlled setting
Ok, but you don’t swallow another humans shit. It’s transplanted from one colon to the other, the bacteria is essentially what you want.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-therapies/fecal-transplant
You can just poop back and forth too
Forever?
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that’s new. last i looked (15 years ago) they were doing pills. hence why i stopped looking.
I said, you swallow a pill. I’m not a doctor, and I know thats not the only way. You posted a link that backs me up! Here’s another
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/25202-fecal-transplant
i knew they did pills!
