ID: MUNROE @MunroeBergdorf posted: “Please don’t be surprised if I block you instead of engaging in ‘a debate’ about issues that don’t affect you, but impact on my life greatly. I do not need to, nor want to converse with people who prioritize their desire to prove a point, over my humanity and rights.”
Amanda Jette Knox @MunroeBergdorf replies: “THIS. You owe no one a debate on who you are, ever. Not online. Not in person. Not in the media.”
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I’m late here but whatever. I’m finding myself more and more on board with this, the more time passes. When I was younger, I would’ve been more willing to ‘debate’ every asshole but the older I’ve got, the more I’ve realised that they’ve all just got the same ‘points’ over and over again and if arguing those points hasn’t changed anything in the last 15 years, it probably won’t change anything now.
Same goes for “just asking questions”. It’s the same fucking questions that every JAQ-off asks, and all ‘questions’ that can be easily answered by shutting your fucking mouth and opening your ears for once. Maybe stepping out of your bubble and listening to what people who are different from you are saying for once.
Last night I blocked my first customer. Got a shitty, really over reacted and unnecessary comment to something. Checked their profile to see if it was just someone having a bad day and saw that literally every comment this person makes is to shit on someone, that’s their entire contribution to this platform. Even spotted a “typical white females” in there. So I just blocked, knowing that nothing of value has been lost to me.
And I think that’s how I’m gonna play it from now. If I get an aggressive response from someone that isn’t full of aggressive responses, I’ll indulge them a little. But if it’s someone that’s clearly just here to fight and make people miserable, the most attention I’ll pay them is hitting that block button.
But I wanna win!
Terrible motivation that guarantees that no one wins.
No! I’M GONNA WIN!
your instance doesnt have downvotes, when everyone wins no one does
It’s easy to see this as a jaded mindset, and heck, maybe it is… but it’s still anyone’s prerogative to just say “I don’t want to discuss this, and if you don’t like it, there’s the door”.
I sometimes engage in good faith conversations, where I later realize the good faith was only from one side of the argument. That SUCKS, so I get it.
Personally, I’ll still try to talk, but just because I’m a naive fool doesn’t mean others need to be :P
The whole premise of a debate usually comes with the connotation that you will never get convinced, and that if the other person was more convincing than you, then you “lost” and just need to be more persuasive next time.
So yes, just telling someone their opinions are bad usually doesn’t work and is a waste of effort, no matter how well written and supported you are.
From what I can tell a lot of this is just Twitter culture. It is totally possible to have a debate where the point is exploring the ways your ideas do and don’t make sense rather than purely trying to “win” by addressing a crowd with propaganda and rhetoric, it’s just that the internet has trended strongly towards the latter over the years.
I agree with OP in that I wouldn’t try to debate people on Twitter either. That doesn’t mean debate has no value though, you just need to figure out where your line is for when it isn’t going to be worth responding, and then do the hard part of actually committing to that.
Issues that impact my life greatly are issues I WANT to talk about and debate with others.
Especially gender-war issues and sexism that have just about ruined my life at this point.
I only agree with the image that I greatly prefer to talk to people that have serious experience with these issues. Unfortunately those are the people least willing to talk about them, and I believe that this is a major barrier to our society solving these issues.
Can you not understand the difference between wanting to do something, and something being demanded of you?
Don’t feed the troll.
in this case it was necessary and constructive
This is the type of mindset that has destroyed civilized discourse and eventually leads to dumber peoples with religiously encrusted beliefs, no ability to learn, improve and progress. Finding it so taxing to discuss is usually because when putting their positions to the test they find they have no arguments.
Gimme a fucking break, a marginalized person has no obligation to engage in a debate with someone who wants to continue marginalizing them and maybe do worse
I guess I’m missing the context here, I have no idea who these people are or why they’re marginalized. But generally speaking not engaging in civilized discourse does not help.
idk, it gets kinda tiring telling people I deserve rights and should not be discriminated against
That’s not a very interesting conversation, I will agree.
This statement is at least twofold:
1 - it says “I do not have to debate to ensure I have basic human rights”, a statement that is clearly true in every instance.
2 - it is a reaction to bad-faith “debating” used as an attack tactic by oppressors; read up on sealioning: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
Combine those two facts, and you have people weaponizing “I’m just debating” to keep someone in an unending treadmill of debate where they constantly have to try to prove they deserve basic human rights. It’s actually hell.
Good faith debate and discourse on all key topics the media/gov pushes on us right now has been long settled, none of it is new, so someone actually willing to learn can just search “do trans people deserve basic human rights” or “can minorities be discriminated against by systemic factors” and there’s already robust answers that should not shock you!
No need to make a trans person make a case over and over again that they deserve to live or a Palestinian make a case that the system within which they live is an open-air jail. And that is what this person is saying.
I would like to have a civil conversation about your statement. Would you mind showing me evidence of any negative thing any sea lion has ever done to you?
God why
Fair enough, now that I’m aware of the context I get the spirit of the post. Still I wouldn’t let sea lioning or whatever it’s called dissuade people from having conversations.
