Romans would brake the legs of crucified victims to check if they were still alive. In Jesus case they instead pocked him with a spear.
The person that wrote this part of the gospel (as in, very likley, made it up), had to write this in because they needed to keep the story of Jesus in line with old testament prophecies about the Messias, one of which speaks of said Messias beeing “unbroken”. So they came up with an alternative to the leg braking.
It’s one of several examples where gospel writers tried to write things into the gospel that made it look like Jesus was the Messias by inventing events about him that made his life line up with existing prophecies about the jewish messiah.
It is believed they nailed through the wrists not the hands.
You could probably put a nail through your wrist and just leave it and live your life without treating it. You’d have to be unlucky and hit a large vein and your body not clot properly, the nail would help stop the blood.
It’s like the myth with a bullet. First thing is not to pull it out because it will make things worse. You can live with a bullet in you.
The stabbing of the spear, to my knowledge, was for mercy so he’d not suffer as long.
Crucifixion strikes me as the kind of punishment where they would endeavour to ensure the person would survive up there for a decent while — to prolong their suffering, and the display of said suffering. It’s a grim method of execution.
Oh there are worse methods which is the crazy part
Crucifixion is more “show” when compared to other torture/execution methods. It is horrible don’t get me wrong. But its intention is not to inflict maximum pain or torture but to show maximum pain or torture to those witnessing it
Like let’s just say Christians wouldn’t be wearing a bull around their necks if it happened that way. And that’s even a milder one.
Crucifixion is death with some torture
There are torture, torture, torture, …, death methods
It was pretty common to put a small board a little bit above the butt, placed so that you can’t really sit on it without hurting your feet, but preventing that you die too soon.
In 2023, an analysis of medical literature concluded that asphyxiation is discredited as the primary cause of death from crucifixion. There is scholarly support for several possible non-asphyxiation causes of death: heart failure or arrhythmia, hypovolemic shock, acidosis, dehydration, and pulmonary embolism. Death could result from any combination of those factors, or from other causes, including sepsis following infection due to the wounds caused by the nails or by the scourging that often preceded crucifixion, or from stabbing by the guards.
If this was done back then, think what they will do to all of us if they get ahold of a godlike AI. Some Googleplex years of literally unimaginable torture that would make hell look like a cakewalk.
ok.
however, wasn’t he nailed? wouldn’t bleeding from those injuries kill you faster?
isn’t there a part where he was also stabbed by a spear?
they really wanted him dead
The stabbing thing happened after he died.
Romans would brake the legs of crucified victims to check if they were still alive. In Jesus case they instead pocked him with a spear.
The person that wrote this part of the gospel (as in, very likley, made it up), had to write this in because they needed to keep the story of Jesus in line with old testament prophecies about the Messias, one of which speaks of said Messias beeing “unbroken”. So they came up with an alternative to the leg braking.
It’s one of several examples where gospel writers tried to write things into the gospel that made it look like Jesus was the Messias by inventing events about him that made his life line up with existing prophecies about the jewish messiah.
It is believed they nailed through the wrists not the hands.
You could probably put a nail through your wrist and just leave it and live your life without treating it. You’d have to be unlucky and hit a large vein and your body not clot properly, the nail would help stop the blood.
It’s like the myth with a bullet. First thing is not to pull it out because it will make things worse. You can live with a bullet in you.
The stabbing of the spear, to my knowledge, was for mercy so he’d not suffer as long.
Crucifixion strikes me as the kind of punishment where they would endeavour to ensure the person would survive up there for a decent while — to prolong their suffering, and the display of said suffering. It’s a grim method of execution.
Oh there are worse methods which is the crazy part
Crucifixion is more “show” when compared to other torture/execution methods. It is horrible don’t get me wrong. But its intention is not to inflict maximum pain or torture but to show maximum pain or torture to those witnessing it
Like let’s just say Christians wouldn’t be wearing a bull around their necks if it happened that way. And that’s even a milder one.
Crucifixion is death with some torture
There are torture, torture, torture, …, death methods
You can always add an “And then”
It was pretty common to put a small board a little bit above the butt, placed so that you can’t really sit on it without hurting your feet, but preventing that you die too soon.
I read up the current wikipedia article for this, and apparently suffocation isn’t thought of as cause of death anymore since 2023! @BorgDrone@feddit.nl @IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world @Sludgeyy@lemmy.world
If this was done back then, think what they will do to all of us if they get ahold of a godlike AI. Some Googleplex years of literally unimaginable torture that would make hell look like a cakewalk.
That probably would have killed him even faster yes. Usually with crucifixions people weren’t nailed but tied to the cross with ropes.