Ok. I’m thinking he might want to replace his PR team, is that you?
I would consider the creature who thought up that plan to be a degenerate. And would have to initiate them into service.
Yeah a lot of people don’t realize that being in the U.S without like asylum status or a green card, work visa, whatever. … Yeah it’s not illegal.
You can get in some trouble in the form of deportation and restricted from coming back.
But on the books. It’s not illegal.
Thats what the magas don’t get either.
“Well they shouldn’t have been here illegally”
They weren’t. No one is here illegally because there are no laws against it. Just regulations.
This is also why it actually is illegal to arrest them and put them in prisons or long term camps just for being undocumented.
That’s kidnapping and illegal imprisonment.
Who doesn’t get it? Hey you got to tell these government officials that they are wasting their time. I also heard that there’s a child molester in charge of a country of not child molesters. And they are speaking truth to power but are so powerless that were actually lying.
Yeah, the only actual crime is sneaking across the border. But most people here “illegally” didn’t even do that. Most undocumented immigrants didn’t pay some coyote to sneak them across the US-Mexican border. Most come here completely legally through ordinary travel options and overstay their visas.
You usually document yourself when applying to USCIS for an employment authorization card.
There are people working without it but that’s usually either to pay for the USCIS application fees or not starving to death while you wait for the card to arrive (took 1 year for me)
Also even “illegal” immigrants are mostly asylum. You can’t wait in their country for asylum application to process while your government is trying to arrest/kill you.
Well when the laws don’t work for the people, they are more likely to break them. As you say, it’s understandable.
The laws and regulations that need fixed.
I knew this guy I met while helping out at a community garden and they kept having problems with school kids walking through the garden lot. Not intentionally stepping on plants but part of the path they were wearing into the ground did go through the watermelon patch.
The back of the school basically emptied out to the back of the garden lot. So kids would cut through it to get home.
This garden guy kept complaining about them. Said they were going to have to pay for a big fence.
I said. Well these kids have to walk around 3 blocks to not cut through. They aren’t going to do that. And isn’t it kinda rude to force them to? (Based on how worn the foot path was) I said, They’ve been walking through here for years.
Maybe instead of a fence. Make a path for them.
They will walk on a path if it’s efficient. And then you can direct them from walking on the plants and making a dirt path that gets muddy when it rains.
Nope. Too much work.
Fence.
I still think my idea was better. Make spaces work for people. Make guidelines that work for the people . And then people won’t be breaking them.
What?
We are talking about undocumented people in the U.S and I gave an example about how restrictions don’t help the problem but we could instead make it work for both parties.
Did you reply to the wrong comment ?
It is illegal and it is a crime and that makes doing it fucking cool and i will buy you a beer or joint or something for being that cool, and also for ‘welcome, death to the state’ reasons.
Most immigrants without proper documentation arrived legally and therefore haven’t committed a crime, they overstayed or fell out of status, which is civil.
But people who enter or reenter the United States without permission CAN face criminal charges, specifically under 8 USC section 1325 (improper entry, a misdemeanour) and section 1326 (reentry after deportation, a felony).
The word illegal does not imply civil versus criminal you dumb fuck. Also, something being illegal does not even imply that its immoral. But hey what does anyone care about facts nowadays.
You can’t yell on the internet you little bitch. And if you start insulting people don’t be surprised if they insult you back. You little bitch. Give your balls a tug.
sigh, are you sure you need to be this angry? feel free to hurt yourself with that high blood pressure. seriously chill, you’re the one who began insulting.
No one is illegal. period… you can do illegal stuff, but illegal is not something you are. Not only because of civil violations/misdemeanor… but because “illegal” isn’t a personal trait.
If “being” for some people is an illegal act, that is an apartheid dystopian nightmare.
and yes, I’ll say the United States has immigration apartheid. immigrants have a different set of laws, courts, and punishments for crimes. that’s a form of apartheid.
If an undocumented is caught speeding, they can get deported, while a citizen just gets a fine.
other counties are even granting immigrants voting rights, while here they are practically treated as subhuman cheap labor.
We could always simply change the rules and boom now it is illegal. What’s the argument then lol. Rules are made up so claiming “well it’s not against the rules” is a retarded argument cuz we can simply change the rules. It’s not good to have undocumented people in the country which is why civilized countries don’t allow this
In the US, government agents will issue an arrest warrant if you get a traffic violation then fail to participate in the legal system. You have to show up in court or accept default judgement and pay the fine.
It’s the same with “illegal immigration” except you go into the federal Homeland Security system where the feds are above the law, and the default judgement is “deportation”, which is technically exile unless they send you back to the country you emigrated from, which they put no effort into figuring out.
Given my own experience with a brother-in-law being deprorted to a country where he cannot legally work, this sounds like a euphemism. We participated in the legal system, lawyers and all.
civil violation, should we jail people who parked illegally? rather than a fine? should you get deported if you park in the wrong place? Should parking violations be part of people’s criminal history?
imagine being unemployable due to a parking violation.
civil violation ≠ crime, and doesn’t make someone illegal
someone cannot be illegal, they can do illegal stuff but you cannot be illegal.
I never said anything about jail. Just that being undocumented is in fact illegal. The rest is just you projecting your morals onto a simple statement of fact.
Let’s just call them immigrants or undocumented. “Illegal” just makes them sound like rapists and murderers.
also, being undocumented isn’t illegal. existing isn’t a crime.
Also, being an alien is not any sort of wrong. People going through the formal authorised pipelines are also aliens.
Somehow people have heard the term “illegal alien” and have decided that they can drop the word “illegal” and retain the same meaning.
I’m an alien
I’m a legal alien
I’m an Englishman in New York
yhea, is just a way to signal the world that they’re are a racist prick that will only improve the world after their funeral.
Ok. I’m thinking he might want to replace his PR team, is that you? I would consider the creature who thought up that plan to be a degenerate. And would have to initiate them into service.
Yeah a lot of people don’t realize that being in the U.S without like asylum status or a green card, work visa, whatever. … Yeah it’s not illegal.
You can get in some trouble in the form of deportation and restricted from coming back.
But on the books. It’s not illegal.
Thats what the magas don’t get either. “Well they shouldn’t have been here illegally”
They weren’t. No one is here illegally because there are no laws against it. Just regulations.
This is also why it actually is illegal to arrest them and put them in prisons or long term camps just for being undocumented. That’s kidnapping and illegal imprisonment.
Who doesn’t get it? Hey you got to tell these government officials that they are wasting their time. I also heard that there’s a child molester in charge of a country of not child molesters. And they are speaking truth to power but are so powerless that were actually lying.
I am so confused.
We are talking about undocumented immigrants and foreigners in the U.S.
Why would you want anyone to immigrate to this country? Trump is just going to rape them
Yeah, the only actual crime is sneaking across the border. But most people here “illegally” didn’t even do that. Most undocumented immigrants didn’t pay some coyote to sneak them across the US-Mexican border. Most come here completely legally through ordinary travel options and overstay their visas.
shithole country
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No offense, but if you don’t detain them then how can you document them properly?
They document themselves.
If they don’t, well. Who cares ?
Most places won’t hire undocumented. That actually is illegal.
If they commit crimes they get arrested and deported.
If they aren’t committing crimes then why do I care if they are here or not?
They can’t get food stamps or unemployment. They don’t drain any resource.
Most undocumented people here in the U.S are here for family reasons. Asylum. Or sometimes work related. Not nefarious reasons.
If they are criminals then they are illegal and police should nab them. Send to prison or deport.
If we made it easier to self document and allowed to stay, more people would register.
People document themselves when registering visa, if they don’t do or stay longer than permitted it is violation, duh. Is it needed an explanation?
Immigrant here, asylum specifically.
You usually document yourself when applying to USCIS for an employment authorization card.
There are people working without it but that’s usually either to pay for the USCIS application fees or not starving to death while you wait for the card to arrive (took 1 year for me)
Also even “illegal” immigrants are mostly asylum. You can’t wait in their country for asylum application to process while your government is trying to arrest/kill you.
It still a violation of immigration rule no offense. But knowing how muslim countries treating minority the situation is understandable
Well when the laws don’t work for the people, they are more likely to break them. As you say, it’s understandable.
The laws and regulations that need fixed.
I knew this guy I met while helping out at a community garden and they kept having problems with school kids walking through the garden lot. Not intentionally stepping on plants but part of the path they were wearing into the ground did go through the watermelon patch.
The back of the school basically emptied out to the back of the garden lot. So kids would cut through it to get home.
This garden guy kept complaining about them. Said they were going to have to pay for a big fence.
I said. Well these kids have to walk around 3 blocks to not cut through. They aren’t going to do that. And isn’t it kinda rude to force them to? (Based on how worn the foot path was) I said, They’ve been walking through here for years.
Maybe instead of a fence. Make a path for them. They will walk on a path if it’s efficient. And then you can direct them from walking on the plants and making a dirt path that gets muddy when it rains.
Nope. Too much work. Fence.
I still think my idea was better. Make spaces work for people. Make guidelines that work for the people . And then people won’t be breaking them.
No, I say it’s understandable because lunatics in muslim countries tend to kill minority. How can your analogy relevant in this discussion?
What? We are talking about undocumented people in the U.S and I gave an example about how restrictions don’t help the problem but we could instead make it work for both parties.
Did you reply to the wrong comment ?
It is illegal and it is a crime and that makes doing it fucking cool and i will buy you a beer or joint or something for being that cool, and also for ‘welcome, death to the state’ reasons.
but, it isn’t, it’s a civil violation. not a criminal one. so no beer for me 😔
It’s more complicated than that.
Most immigrants without proper documentation arrived legally and therefore haven’t committed a crime, they overstayed or fell out of status, which is civil.
But people who enter or reenter the United States without permission CAN face criminal charges, specifically under 8 USC section 1325 (improper entry, a misdemeanour) and section 1326 (reentry after deportation, a felony).
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Yes it is. Holy fuck.
nope, it’s a civil violation, not a crime.
but what do Americans care about facts.
The word illegal does not imply civil versus criminal you dumb fuck. Also, something being illegal does not even imply that its immoral. But hey what does anyone care about facts nowadays.
Well, you’re an illegal driver.
Dude, please, seriously, chill.
I do not wish to go down to your level and start yelling like a toddler who shat my pants.
You can’t yell on the internet you little bitch. And if you start insulting people don’t be surprised if they insult you back. You little bitch. Give your balls a tug.
sigh, are you sure you need to be this angry? feel free to hurt yourself with that high blood pressure. seriously chill, you’re the one who began insulting.
No one is illegal. period… you can do illegal stuff, but illegal is not something you are. Not only because of civil violations/misdemeanor… but because “illegal” isn’t a personal trait.
If “being” for some people is an illegal act, that is an apartheid dystopian nightmare.
and yes, I’ll say the United States has immigration apartheid. immigrants have a different set of laws, courts, and punishments for crimes. that’s a form of apartheid.
If an undocumented is caught speeding, they can get deported, while a citizen just gets a fine.
other counties are even granting immigrants voting rights, while here they are practically treated as subhuman cheap labor.
We could always simply change the rules and boom now it is illegal. What’s the argument then lol. Rules are made up so claiming “well it’s not against the rules” is a retarded argument cuz we can simply change the rules. It’s not good to have undocumented people in the country which is why civilized countries don’t allow this
Is English not your first language or are you just dumb? Being undocumented is illegal. Its just a fact.
It’s like a parking ticket. Is everyone who had a traffic violation now an illegal person?
In the US, government agents will issue an arrest warrant if you get a traffic violation then fail to participate in the legal system. You have to show up in court or accept default judgement and pay the fine.
It’s the same with “illegal immigration” except you go into the federal Homeland Security system where the feds are above the law, and the default judgement is “deportation”, which is technically exile unless they send you back to the country you emigrated from, which they put no effort into figuring out.
“fail to participate in the legal system”
Given my own experience with a brother-in-law being deprorted to a country where he cannot legally work, this sounds like a euphemism. We participated in the legal system, lawyers and all.
American immigration system is dystopian as fuck.
Oh a parking ticket, like you get when you’re parking illegally? https://portal.311.nyc.gov/article/?kanumber=KA-01986
civil violation, should we jail people who parked illegally? rather than a fine? should you get deported if you park in the wrong place? Should parking violations be part of people’s criminal history?
imagine being unemployable due to a parking violation.
civil violation ≠ crime, and doesn’t make someone illegal
someone cannot be illegal, they can do illegal stuff but you cannot be illegal.
Existing isn’t a crime.
I never said anything about jail. Just that being undocumented is in fact illegal. The rest is just you projecting your morals onto a simple statement of fact.
“Being” isnt a crime. again, civil violation doesn’t make you a criminal.
and it is quite racist to declare immigrants who committed no crimes as “being” illegal.
Yes, exactly like that. The act is illegal. Not the person. It’s not even a felony for heavens sake.
Right so you would agree that being undocumented is in fact illegal?
Yes, breaking the law is illegal. Do you understand that doesn’t make the person illegal or even a felon?
I didn’t say anything about a person being illegal or a felon. I said that being undocumented is illegal. Because it is.
“Illegal alien” but it’s Irene from rupauls drag race doing a line of coke off a twink’s dick in a Seattle bar bathroom (/j, I don’t know her)
It actually doesn’t. That’s your own bias showing through.
Nah it’s a thing, we’re making a conscious effort to not label human beings existence as “illegal.”
No one is illegal on stolen land.
I get that, but “illegal” doesn’t make anyone sound like a rapist or a murderer either.