Shane Gillis was unfunny and racist in his opening monologue this weekend, but this skit was pretty good. (And is, believe it or not, tangentially related to OP.)

https://youtu.be/xAvEferecIg

For the record I wasn’t disagreeing with your point or criticizing it at all. Just trying to give some context that might explain what you were observing.

🙂

This would indicate its not a cut and dry as the youtuber suggests and also I would assume he is not a historian(no clue who he is) so its unclear why his opinion or definition of computer program should usurp that of most historians who would recognise a term may change over time and be less well defined initially when inspiring a new technology?

He’s a long-standing member of the tech pundit community (dare I say the Linux community), and in recent years has been exposed as antivax, anti-woke, and a bigot. Before that he was just a confident sounding asshole with sometimes interesting opinions.

Been there, had that conversation.

Um

I wasn’t being a dick, I was giving a straightforward answer. I don’t have a concern that the photo is shopped, I find it entirely believable, and so of course I’m not going to take the time to go looking for more pics. Even if there are none yet, it wouldn’t prove this was shopped.

The banner is not really the problem, shopped or not.

Now the right hand side of this on the other hand:

I don’t share your concerns and am not going to take the time to hunt down another one.

Regardless of the banner, the push is real, here’s one article today and another from yesterday.

https://www.newsweek.com/third-term-project-donald-trump-2028-constitution-2034316

https://www.rawstory.com/raw-investigates/cpac-2671191186/

Quote from second article:

A new advocacy group, the Third Term Project — which has adopted a Caesar-like Trump image as its logo — is dedicated to upending the 22nd Amendment so that Trump can serve a third term.

I think you are bold to assume their plan involved repealing vs ignoring.

All good, my vehemence wasn’t directed at you. You make good points, an apologies if it seemed otherwise!

Once they force three terms onto Trump they can use whatever flimsy justification they have found to allow three terms for Vance or whoever they get to replace trump.

The reason why news is hesitant to use it is because of the association with Nazi death camps. In my experience that’s what people usually think of when they hear concentration camp.

That’s what they should be thinking of. If folks wait until they become extermination camps then it’s even more too late to start caring than it already is.

Yes, but it worked. Trump actually did awful shit, and it did not. That’s what I can’t get past.

I have a difficult time finding any reason to disagree with you.

This sort of energy.

Nobody claims that WW2 was because of voters

Maybe if folks had been shamed into not supporting the Nazis and their hollow, superficial, hateful “solutions” we wouldn’t even have an example with such obvious and clear parallels to draw upon.

Nobody claims that WW2 was because of voters, that the Poland invasion was because of the soldiers

Nobody should be (or seems to have been) fucking absolved for handing their nation to fascists, either.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/german-civilians-forced-see-real-11908228

https://www.pritzkermilitary.org/explore/museum/permanent-current-upcoming-exhibits/allied-race-victory-air-land-and-sea-ca/germans-dig-graves

https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/pa1084913

https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn556026

edited to correct unclear wording

Little reminder: Those people you are alienating, those as per your and Lemmy judgement “Nazi, racists, uneducated, homophobic, traitors, fascists, unethical, uncompassionate and misogynistic” are voters with as much rights as you have to decide the course of the nation

Yep. They sure do. And I’m judging them for the direction they have chosen.

How is it whenever anyone makes a post like this, it’s “ZOMG don’t alienate the magas.” Do you suppose there are folks who care enough about unity to tell the magas maybe they shouldn’t alienate all the non-magas in their lives? Do you tell magas that? I have multiple neighbors who had signs in their yard for YEARS proclaiming Biden voters or Democrats as traitors, morons, etc as they adjusted the mix of their handwritten signs every so often.

Seems to me they have spent the past several years alienating me. Seems to me they have voted for policies and politicians that are explicitly intending to harm anyone who isn’t a white cisthet man. That includes quite a lot of groups that neither me nor anyone near me is a member of, but also includes groups that my children, my wife, and for that matter, a great many Trump voters themselves comprise.

And it seems to me that, just like when there was a bully in school as a kid, it’s somehow the victim always asked to be the bigger person, not the bully. That was horseshit then, and it’s horseshit now.

I mean in the sense that these are the standard blue collar, hard workers of the country. Those plumbers, electricians, waste disposal, street sweepers, truck drivers, and so on

Ask me about my background. (no don’t, but also don’t assume I’ve never been one of these people and can’t identify with where they are coming from)

Somehow the party with the worst record towards unions and labor has convinced all many of the folks with union jobs that they will save them, and that they’ll do so with a bsuinessman at the head of the country with a reputation for not paying his bills. And I should sympathize with that?

I reject your scolding and premise at the most fundamental possible level.

These people have spent more than the past 8 years being the loudest, rudest, most hateful group in any venue. On a personal level, we have avoided family gatherings to not have to listen to their shit, though somehow we eventually end up hearing it anyway. The policies they support obviously and openly hurt anyone not like them, and a very large percentage of the time they hurt themselves also. They are currently loudly cheering as our nation and government are being actively dismantled by the man they voted for.

I have nothing left for these people but to keep anyone and anything I care about as far out of their path and notice as possible, and hope that 5 years from now we can be arguing about this and not decaying in a mass grave someplace after they work their way down the “First they came for” ladder until finally they find something my family needs to be sent to a camp for.

Nobody who’s voting republican actually believes you when you say they are supporting these things, because we live in clown world, and they’re all brainwashed into thinking that you’re lying.

I tell people this constantly, and get ignored or chided for the thought. Meanwhile, I’ve got a previously Trump supporter boss, who I’ve slowly become friends with and have shown him the problems on the right and moved him further to the left.

I’m not going to chide you, but after 8 years of trying, it’s only gotten worse.

I’m done. I need to focus on keeping my family safe and away from magas.

If you are having better luck changing hearts and minds, I applaud you for it. IME they aren’t interested in listening to anyone but Trump.

The idea of a politician with principles used to be the punchline to a sitcom comedy routine or the climax of a utopian drama.

I’m talking primarily about the voters, which it’s becoming increasingly clear I need to specify.