The Pocophone F1 was 300 EUR when it launched. Sure you can buy used phones for much cheaper than new ones. If you want to get a cheap Sailfish OS device, get a used Sony Xperia 10 II for 50-80 EUR. Yes, it is a tad worse in performance for the CPU (and much worse for GPU, in case you care about that) than the F1 but there goes your “10x” difference, when one is not comparing apples and oranges. Or you go for a community supported phone like the Mi Note 10, which you can find for 120 EUR, comparable SOC performance but much better screen and dramatically better camera than the F1.

Btw how is the camera functionality, VoLTE functionality, battery status, etc on such a device with postmarketOS? Honest question, because according to postmarketOS documentation, there is not a single device that is listed to have all the basic functionality, other than the Librem, a device with weak hardware sold today for 799 USD.

Tinkering is not black and white but a spectrum. That is why LFS, Gentoo, Arch, Fedora, Linux Mint etc all have their justification to exist. Sailfish OS gives a a pretty functional phone out of the box but allows you to tinker around if you want to, not to the extend a Postmarket OS would but UI aside, you can get down deep and dirty if you want to, as far as I understand. In a similar way, I don’t think one should get Sailfish OS over postmarketOS, there is a place for both. That Sailfish OS costs you 10 times more, necessarily, is just false information.

The premium of the new Jolla Phone, over Chinese competition is maybe 2-3 fold. New vs New. Look at other dedicated Linux phones and that is quite common, simply because small production run phones can never compete with Chinese mass production phones on price.

The license is a one time payment for third party models. All of them are already aging. The C2 was a white label phone for Sailfish OS, the first dedicated Sailfish OS device in years and does not require any license nor does the new to be launched “Jolla Phone”. Most people ordered the Jolla Phone at 580 EUR. Whatever “postmarketOS-capable” phone you were thinking about but for 58 EUR it can’t be that great. Even cheaper Chinese competition equivalent hardware will cost around 200 EUR. The only Dimensity 7100 device I could find at this point was 260 EUR or so, with a worse screen.

I do agree that they should go fully open source but they are at least gradually opening up those parts that are still closed (mostly UI and some few stock apps). Sailffish OS is light years from mainstream adoption, at the very least. But that is not the game they are playing. This is a niche product for people that either want to get away from Google or Apple, or some that actually like the fairly unique UI of Sailfish OS or like to tinker with its Linux base (whatever you think about Sailfish OS and its not entirely open nature, it is still the most functional Linux based alternative out there, when it comes to functioning as a phone, including VoLTE, camera etc, at least in Europe).

Jolla has been years out of the wheel when it comes to own hardware. The crucial thing they need to prove now is that they are capable of delivering what they announced at maybe 15-20k sales.

European here, I am fine with that.

You think that PT is awful. We heard that already. You are also refusing to communicate clearly, even after it being pointed out to you. Keep trolling. I am out.

But you are assuming the downvote is due to people wanting everyone to have the same opinion, not because you generally called PT as awful, no qualification of any kind. Maybe next time communicate in a clearer fashion.

That is a bit rich from someone who did not start the comment by saying, “I find public transport awful” but as a general truth “Its awful to go on public transport.”

Same goes for your line about how people spend a fortune, just to avoid PT, when in fact, many don’t spend a fortune on cars when they happen to live in places where PT is decent and useful. Almost as if not so much the inherent general awfulness of PT makes people choose going by car but when PT is in that specific place just not good, people do so.

I guess that must be why living in Vienna gives you such a terribly low quality of life, as more trips are done by PT than by car and around half the households don’t even own a car (most of them could easily afford one), compared to for example Fake London in Canada.

Travelling in a city designed for PT doesn’t take any longer than travelling by car in a city designed for cars. How? Because what cars are faster, they need more space, increasing necessary distances, and at the end leading to no improvement in travel times.

No, they aren’t. But you did not attack one of those, you attacked someone who was saying he was fine with going to the office by bike.

Don’t you have annual passes? They tend to be a fair deal. Especially when you compare them to the cost of car mobility.

Everyone works in different ways. You may not believe it, because it is not your thing but some really want to separate their work location from their free time location and there are also good reasons for doing so. I am not saying everyone has to want that but many do and there is nothing wrong with that. The other thing is that real, face to face communication is simply not the same as an online call, especially low key interactions during lunch or coffee break. Depends on your job of course and they way of working but there is value in it.

If someone can combine the commute with work out, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Why impose your preferences on that other person?

You are just envious that they have Suchard chocolate in Switzerland.

That’s the thing though. The sign says something like “we’re sooshan deesh”