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Lmao but why? Are Polish folks especially concerned about the bathroom habits of their elders?!

Edit to add: before even knowing what it meant this one was my favorite.

Agreed. It’s the shitpost com, so fair game I guess, but all of us humans do this thing where the more we see or hear something the more we soften toward it subconsciously. It’s almost the basis of advertising. That’s good in general, but not in this case, fuck this dude forever. I don’t want my subconscious tryna tell me otherwise just cuz people enjoy the lols, but hey, that’s me.

Yeah Nicole appears to be enjoying yonder broccoli

There’s another path, where we vote in loud angry people that do not compromise with fascists, call them what they are at every opportunity, and who do not extend civility toward people who never intend to extend that in good faith themselves.

I called it a circus, I guess when I think about it more, the circus has been here for a while. Or at least, the “more about appearances/performances than effects” carnival has been running uninterrupted for years.

Like you, I wish for a more reasonable and productive and earnest future for our politics. We won’t get that by being soft with people who do not share any of our values. I still think you’re assuming good faith efforts that are not there, naively, and I still hope you’re right and I’m wrong.

That’s a consistent and reasonable point of view, and I share your hopes. Cheers.

Ah okay. Well I’m with you on part of it, if the people who voted them in agree / would have wanted that, then yes it is appropriate for them to have taken that vote. I do not want politicians deciding for us what we really want / need, full stop. With you there.

Not really with you that it’s the job of Dems at all to keep the Congress from becoming a circus. I’m trying to be pragmatic and realistic, I’m aware that Al Green’s performance doesn’t directly translate to the federal government being suddenly less effective at its crimes and abuses.

But please, remember that whatever your own life circumstances and status, there are very vulnerable people who are being hurt now, and these people want to hurt them worse and more. The people attacking and abusing our countrymen do not respect morality or the rule of law, in any capacity - WE DO NOT OWE THEM CIVILITY and I posit that we have nothing to gain from being civil with them. We need everyone with a microphone to be screeching that they are abusive monsters, daily, disrupting any and everything they attempt to do. They did it to the ACA which tried to be the most compassionate legislation we’ve seen in a generation, they’ve done it to every damn thing else that had a hope of helping Americans, we owe them nothing more than the basic human rights we owe anyone.

But we can agree to disagree too, I don’t pretend to have all the answers and have been wrong many times in my life. Cheers friend.

I guess I’m not sure what argument you’re making. My argument is that asking Congress to uphold decorum is a mistake when you have bad faith actors (fascists) taking advantage of their good will. And you seem to be saying that no, they should still behave politely because we aren’t among the absolute worst governments? If that’s how you feel, where is your line? What government posture merits abandoning the traditions and norms that your opponents have long since jettisoned and which they now use cynically to thwart your own high-minded efforts?

I hope I’m not being uncharitable towards you. Maybe it’s more like “we both got bogged down in defining details and we lost the thread”, that’s a thing that happens all too often lol.

Much appreciated and I was happy to see their contact info - check it out!

Call Them. Replace Them.

Attempting to grow a fascist dictatorship, with some success and even support, sure feels near the bottom of government dysfunction to me. But part of what makes all this so maddening is the difficulty in accurately assessing the situation. I acknowledge that in 4 years I may feel that my worries today were overblown, and I sure hope so!

That’s exactly right. Except you left out all the lucrative insider trading they enjoy during 1-3. And just in case anyone tries to pull the wrong idea from any of this, the Republicans are even worse than that.

Fuckin Democrats prefer civility to justice. Always have.

We’re pretty damn near the bottom, bud. We need active resistance not polite words.

Democrat Al Green protested Trump’s speech to Congress, would not relent, and was removed by security. Then from what I understand, there was a vote to censure him (meaningless slap on the wrist in today’s politics) and 10 members of his own party shamefully voted with the Republicans to have him punished.

What does this mean? Feel free to DM if you’d rather