I know I’m not the only one that said this but I really can’t stand how systemd is becoming “the norm” init system for every major distro, this is bad.

it is especially bad when certain apps are built specifically for systemd, locking users behind a specific init system and compatibility issues spark because you don’t use a mainstream one , this doesn’t go with the idea of Linux, which is having “freedom” with your os, picking and choosing what goes on and off while still being usable.

I switched to artix Linux with openRC a while ago the moment systemd added code for potential age verification, they called it malicious compliance but I really didn’t like the smell of that, now I’m fighting tooth and nail with some applications because they’re systemd dependent, resulting in me creating custom scripts to mitigate their issues.

  • hobata@lemmy.ml
    232·
    3 days ago

    systemd works best, scales well and causes less pain at maintaining

    • OppressedBread@lemmy.mlOP
      64·
      3 days ago

      The “less pain” you experience today might come with the cost of being tied to the systemd ecosystem. If a future version introduces a breaking change or a bug that affects the whole stack, there is no easy “switch” to a lighter alternative without rebuilding the system, its closely tied to the Linux kernel and does more than it should.

      though I agree with you on being scalable and easy to maintain that’s one of the pros of it being a monolithic suite, everything just works

      • hobata@lemmy.ml
        5·
        3 days ago

        Thank goodness I’m not a major distro maintainer and don’t have to deal with all that shit. However, the times I did come into contact with it weren’t as bad as with upstart and sysvinit.

        Let me stir up your anxiety with this simple question: that if future version of kernel introduces a breaking change or a bug that affects the whole stack?

        • lavember@programming.devEnglish
          2·
          1 day ago

          please try another service manager that is not 20 years old before developing your opinion on this. you might hate it or whatever, but it’s better than to keep saying “systemd is better than sysvinit!!” quietly ignoring the actual systemd alternatives people are using that are not pre-historic. dinit/runit are ones I’ve used previously and were very good and did the same things systemd did for me as a desktop user

          • hobata@lemmy.ml
            1·
            17 hours ago

            I’m long past the age where I try things out just for the sake of it. For me, a tool has to solve an actual problem. Runit fails that test immediately because its dependency management is too weak. Dinit looks like a better fit, but I don’t need it, because my current system works perfectly with systemd, and I have no interest in doing by hand what the distro maintainer already took care of for me.

            • lavember@programming.devEnglish
              1·
              8 hours ago

              that’s fine, systemd is my current one too, it’s great w/ NixOS tooling, it’s just kind of unfair to handle systemd criticism by talking solely of its phased alternatives, makes the discussion seem like systemd is the only possible option

              • hobata@lemmy.ml
                1·
                7 hours ago

                discussion seem like systemd is the only possible option

                I haven’t met a single sane person who would claim that there are no other systems out there. For the most part, people who use systemd say that it’s the best option right now.